The Gray Gamers

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Feb 7
2009

Hoyle-Sierra and Case’s Ladder

by Pam

What is up with  Hoyle-Sierra and Case’s Ladder?

Hoyle-Sierra is legendary for their card, board puzzle and casino games and I was not aware they had an on line play site until this week. They’ve been online for 10 years. 

Hoyle-Sierra games are now owned by a company called Encore, which has a contract with Case’s Ladder (owned by Demand Media) to run the online site. If I’m understanding correctly, the contract ran out and thousands of online league players are upset.

Case’s Ladder is a fan site that runs tournaments on multi player game sites. It also supports gamers who run their own tournaments.

About Case’s Ladder
Case’s Ladder is the leader in Internet gaming ladders, leagues and tournaments. The company, founded in February 1996, offers both free and premium membership programs to mass-market game players. The company operates the largest collection of online ladders, leagues and tournaments at www.casesladder.com.
The company also provides branded ladder, league and tournament solutions for online gaming sites, web portals and game publishers. Case’s Ladder is a division of Demand Media, Inc.

I first saw Case’s Ladder at a now defunct on line game site Flipside.com.
It’s a forum now. I found  a plea to other gamers from a Hoyle-Sierra player, Big Fish ads and very  little else.  
There is a Flipside Game Studios headquartered in the Philippines where developers appear to be concentrating on staying away from mega companies which devoured them in the past.

I know nothing about Case’s Ladder, other than what they’ve said about themselves – if you go to their site, you’ll see 11 million people registered. 
You’ll see in a drop down menu,  just about every multi player online game site and online game site out there. 

All I remember about Case’s Ladder from the former online Flipside site  is that these members were very serious players into competition, tournaments, leagues and winning.

Whatever floats your boat.

Although there are thousands of serious players in each genre of online game imaginable, they are  communities of people who experience  loyalty, camaraderie, friendship, frustration, anger, and sadness as online sites come and go.  

All I vaguely remember from Flipside was squabbling in and around Case Ladder tournament rooms and I stayed clear.

The Hoyle – Sierra   (Encore - a division of Navarre) fans seem to be waiting on corporate decisions. 
The use of site  rules section still has the legal spiel from the former owners of  Hoyle games, Vivendi Universal Games, Inc.
From the Hoyle-Sierra forum:

To the Cases Ladder Hoyle Online Community,

All parties involved in finding a solution to maintain the online site have been working together very hard these past few weeks.

We’re on a good path but not quite there. To give ourselves the time needed to create a good long term plan, we’re giving ourselves the month of February to work through the details.

So, please play on.

We’ll keep everyone posted as we move things forward.

Thank you.

A petition to save Hoyle Sierra’s online site has nearly 3 thousand signatures.  The site contract appears to have run out January 31st, however the site is still online and running.

I spent a bit of time reading about the companies behind the Hoyle-Sierra online site. 
A bit of time is an understatement actually.
Hours.
The history of various companies involved with this one site and it’s games with various acquisitions, divisions, consolidations, take-overs, diversifying, distribution etc. is something else.
I can’t pretend I got more than a glance at these mega media players. 

Sierra-Hoyle online players will know the fate of their favorite site soon enough.

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Comments

Apr 15th 2009

is there a problem with the site i havent been able to log into the site for 2 days now?
i know there was talk about it shutting down and to keep playing there was gonna be a fee, was informed that i would get a email on the info needed to keep playing but havent recieved any notice as of yet, and now i cant get into the site so just wondering if it was shut down and they forgot to send me the info.

please let me know.
sincerely: Tim Arend

by Pam
Apr 20th 2009

Hi Tim:

The site is gone.
I wrote about it going pay for play http://www.thegraygamers.com/2009/03/hoyle-sierracases-ladder-keep-online-site-going/ and needing a credit card.

I can’t find Hoyle or Sierra over at Cases Ladder. I checked HoyleGames, the forum has a tournament thread but no comments.

Demand Media runs My League.com off of Cases Ladder, there are over 3 thousand leagues going. You might want to take a look through, it requires a sign in.

This isn’t very helpful is it?
If you do get notice, let us know, we’ll post.

by Devon
Apr 28th 2009

Does anyone know if the HOYLE games will come back online. SO sad that I cannot play. I loved the backgammon board on that site and pray it comes back

by STONEyCLAWS
May 2nd 2009

From what I understand and is my opinion: Case’s Lader Blew the Gear Shifter on this one. They didn’t have the know how or the resources to make Hoyle Online Games a pay site to keep it open. They pretty much lead the sheep, players, to slaughter by not being honest with them of the exact situation they were under. I had a feeling things were fishy and I had mentioned this to players in Spades Social Room 1. Shame on ya Case’s.

by linee
May 9th 2009

I have been playing doublecross on the Hoyle site, am defintely suffering withdrawal symptoms, get me going through the night when i couldnt sleep. Any one have any suggestions for a similar site

by Jo'Anne
May 14th 2009

Hi I’ve been trying to access the site for a long time now. I did a google search and this notice came up. I’m pasting the note here.

April 20, 2009. Hoyle Online Players,. We regret to inform you that we will no longer be able to keep this site up and running. The rights to use the gaming …
hoylegames.igl.net/ – 1k – Cached – Similar pages.

It says something about Hoyle not wanting to extend their contract with Activision which is a gaming software.

I tried emailing the above email address but I get an error message saying email id not valid…………..so another dead end.

I miss Hoyle and have been playing eversince it was called flipside.

Hope they are back and soon, will keep my fingers crossed.

Hope the info was helpful to all hoyle users.

Thanks.

by Pam
May 16th 2009

Hi Jo’Anne:

Thank you.

May 16th 2009

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May 17th 2009

too bad all the peeps who played there so long were let down by hoyle yet again. So sell another game that is useless withouth the site, lol , 12 yrs of flip, sierra and hoyle

by kygentleman
Aug 14th 2009

was a member of hoyle for 8 or more years and now its gone.. I sure miss it.

by Karen
Aug 18th 2009

Does anyone know how to go about purchasing the rights or permissions to re-open the hoyle sierra site again. I absolutely LOVED playing Doublecross and miss it terribly. My husband is quite the entreprenuer and is willing to see what he can do to get it all back on line as a pay to play site for $20/yr if we could just get some info on where to even begin this process. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

by Pam
Aug 19th 2009

I don’t know what to tell you Karen, you could try Hoyle, but now that they have their online site going the first step may be to ask who owns the rights.

ask who owns the rights.

by Diane Jack
Aug 19th 2009

I used to play hearts on Hoyle Sierra before the site shut down. I tried playing on MSN, Yahoo and Hardwood Hearts, but compared to the old Hoyle website, these sites are a joke. The closest thing I’ve found to the old Hoyle Sierra website is Hoyle Royal Suite. You have to buy Hoyle Card Games 2009 or 2010 to access this site (about 20 dollars on Amazon.com) It’s not as much fun as the old Hoyle Sierra site, no sound effects for one thing, but it’s better than anything else I’ve tried.

by Becki
Sep 6th 2009

I can’t remember what the game is called if anyone knows I would really appreciate it. The one that is similar to sorry but with marbles????

by RedWing442
Sep 25th 2009

The game that is similar to Sorry is called Pachisi.

by Janice
Nov 8th 2009

I wish POGO would buy Doublecross and have it as one of their many games. That would be awesome! Any chance of that happening?

by Pam
Nov 10th 2009

Hey Janice:

I know Hoyle released their CD game set in September but as far as I can tell from cached forums, have no intention of putting it online.

One of the Hoyle staff said they’d mention it to the development team but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

A lot depends on who owns Doublecross – if Hoyle owns it, they’ve got a lock on it, if Sierra owns it and doesn`t have a lock on it, there might be an opportunity for an online site to negotiate.

EA is Pogo’s parent company. If you have an account with Pogo or EA you could write and ask.

by Kerri
Dec 28th 2009

Karen, Hoyle is now owned by Encore.

I miss the games too. I have the card games and the puzzle and board games but a lot of the games are not the same without real people at the ‘other end.’

by Kevin
Jan 19th 2010

I used to play the games online going all the way back to 1997! After Flipside got its fingers into the Hoyle games, I thought it was going to go in the crapper, but Flipside turned out to be quite nice, in my opinion.

Once it all turned over to VUgames, that’s when it really went downhill. After VUgames transferred it yet again — I don’t remember to whom, I quit playing all together. That must have been in 2003 or so. I pretty much thought it was all defunct at that point anyway.

I am surprised to see people posting about online play of Hoyle games as recently as a few months ago!

I am actually on here right now trying to figure out how I can get back into it. Looks like it’s not going to happen!

by Fatal-Lust
Jan 28th 2010

Hey Kevin,
I’m with you on that one. I haven’t been to hoyle in soooooooooo long it sux!!!! Just got time for it, and it’s not there?????? WTF?????????? I buy these discs for 20 bucks each……… board, classic, casino, card…….etc………. u know what i mean. Anyway, I think we have already paid for this since it always gives u the option for online free play with multiplayer interaction

by Kendo323
Feb 6th 2010

The rights to the VU/Hoyle game site are owned by Activision

by babydoll115
Feb 14th 2010

My husband and I met on this site and have been reminiscing about returning for old time sakes… I hope it comes back, no other site compares!

by carl
Feb 19th 2010

I was/am a long time Hoyle player (i found it back in the Won days before it got crazy with ladder clubs and rated rooms).
I just wanted to say the site may be goen but the people who made it a great place to be will live in my memories forever. thank you all for making Hoyle home to this wet traveler….dlvryman1 :)

by sdin1
Feb 27th 2010

All,

I too purchased several Hoyle game disks and miss the hoyle game site as well as many the friends made at the site through out the years. I have searched and have yet to found another site that compare to it so far. It was a great place to meet people, relax and have some fun, which is sadly missed.

If anyone does hear what is happening please let me know. I am still looking for a good site to play euchre, spades and other games and will check back here from time to time……sdin1

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